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NE Town Bans Porch Couches: Should Lawmakers Relax?

Wed, 09/24/2008 - 5:00am by CitizenSugar
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Perhaps fearing scenes just like this dotting older neighborhoods, the town of Lincoln, NE, just passed a law banning indoor furniture from being used outside. The development could have big ramifications on the chillaxing abilities of the town's large population of college students, traditionally grand proponents of the "porch couch."

The city council voted 5-2 in favor of the new measure, and no one testified against the proposal during the open public hearing. An aide close to the mayor says he intends to sign the ordinance into effect on Oct. 7. Other towns have similar aesthetic or quality of life bans on furniture outside, including Ames, IA, Boulder, CO, and East Lansing, MI, but some question whether the law unfairly targets the large population of students renting homes in older neighborhoods. Is it discriminatory? Should lawmakers have the ability to legislate what you can put on your own property?

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  • yesteryear's picture
    yesteryear
    1

    i dont want to get into who this unfairly targets... i just think it's not really a worthwhile law. if it's not a health & safety issue all this does is create an "in" for city code enforcement to start bugging people about what their porches look like. these sorts of laws are usually shot down in court. and believe it or not, many make it all the way to the state supreme court, or even the US supreme court.

    10 weeks 1 day ago Report Comment
  • 356UIK's picture
    356UIK
    2

    OMG I hate couches on front porches! So awful.

    I live in a college town so I desperately wish theyd be outlawed here. One of my neighbors has a leather recliner and matching foot stool/ottoman on his porch. Grr!

    Now, if you want to have build an "outdoor room" that is a big trend now a days, then put it in your back yard, and make it gorgeous.

    But I dont see the types of people who put couches on their front porch spending the $ to do this...

    10 weeks 1 day ago Report Comment
  • ilanac13's picture
    ilanac13
    3

    honestly i think that there are betters uses of the government's time than to make these types of laws but i guess if they have the ability/power to do it then they will. i can understand how they would want their city to have a certain look and having indoor furniture outside - well that's just crazy. i don't know - i feel like it's really a waste of energy.

    10 weeks 1 day ago Report Comment
  • bluepuppybites's picture
    bluepuppybites
    4

    I completely agree with this law. I hate to see that gross furniture outside. It's not just college students it's also some of the residents as well that do this. The city wants to make those older neighborhoods more appealing and this is a good start. I live 90 miles away from Lincoln and here in Grand Island we have a huge problem with it as well. It's so gross.

    10 weeks 1 day ago Report Comment
  • lilkimbo's picture
    lilkimbo
    5

    I agree with yesteryear.

    My college banned inside furniture outdoors in university-owned houses, but I think that's an entirely different situation. (The situation there was unique because almost the entire student body live in university-owned housing, either dorms (generally freshman), suites/apartments (sophomores, some juniors), or houses (juniors, some seniors). So, the university had a lot of jurisdiction over the houses students lived in.)

    10 weeks 1 day ago Report Comment
  • yesteryear's picture
    yesteryear
    6

    one of the most famous landmark cases allowing cities to zone for aesthetic purposes had to do with a clothesline being hung on private property but in the public view (on the front lawn). people v. stover... i think it was in NY or NJ. anyway, the city won. so yeah, lilkimbo, even though we think it's ridiculous, there's a precedent if this makes it to a higher court.

    10 weeks 1 day ago Report Comment
  • acyl's picture
    acyl
    8

    Wow. The lawmakers in Lincoln, NE have TOO MUCH time on their hands.

    10 weeks 1 day ago Report Comment
  • UnDave35's picture
    UnDave35
    9

    I'd like to see them banned in college towns because they can be a fire hazard. Someone is out on the couch smoking, and figuring they are outside, just drops their but on the couch. The seminary my wife went to had a major apartment fire because one of the students did just that, and the couch went up. They people who lived in the apartment were lucky that they were still awake when the couch caught fire, because they didn't have much time to get out.

    *Disclaimer* This story is through my wife, so accounts may be a little off.

    10 weeks 1 day ago Report Comment
  • TidalWave's picture
    TidalWave
    10

    This is citizensugar news? Really? They have banned indoor furniture outdoors in the college town of East Lansing, MI as well (or maybe they just tried, i forget). But the residents really really hate it because it's so trashy.

    10 weeks 1 day ago Report Comment
  • True Song's picture
    True Song
    11

    They were banned in another college town in Alabama about four or five years ago, along with parking cars on the lawn. I think pink flamingos and foil in windows were next on the agenda. Next think you know they'll be going after girls who where uggs with mini skirts.

    10 weeks 1 day ago Report Comment
  • yesteryear's picture
    yesteryear
    12

    dave thats true but if they can't prove that all college kids would do that all the time then that's not really going to stand up in court. if that were the case they'd have to outlaw indoor smoking in apartments as well. unfortunately, they don't even need to go that far, it's an aesthetic decision. this is why when i finally do buy a house i'm not going to do it in a neighborhood with a 'homeowners association' that has tons of rules about what i can and cant do on my property. the only instance where i totally agree with these ordinances is in the case of historic preservation. if you choose to buy a house that's part of a historic neighborhood there should be laws in place to protect the character of the area.

    10 weeks 1 day ago Report Comment
  • yesteryear's picture
    yesteryear
    13

    true... we can dream right? someone needs to tap one of those girls on the shoulder and say "hey, that went out of style in 2004."

    10 weeks 1 day ago Report Comment
  • True Song's picture
    True Song
    15

    That went out of style in 2004...and it looked ridiculous even for the five seconds it was in style.

    10 weeks 1 day ago Report Comment
  • Great Sommelier's picture
    Great Sommelier
    16

    I had friends in college who had couches and chairs on their balconies and porches. I always refused to sit in them because they were gross! They were mildewy from the humidity here and there were spiders etc. in them.

    10 weeks 1 day ago Report Comment
  • fcseamstress's picture
    fcseamstress
    17

    I've lived in N Colorado (about 60 mi from Boulder) all my life. Both the town I grew up in and the town I live in now have bans on indoor couches on outdoor front porches. The town I grew up in implemented this about 10 years ago, when the Broncos won back-to-back Superbowls, because there were riots in which many of the couches on said porches got burned in the middle of the street. They passed the issue and riots happened again the next year, just not with as many burned couches.

    Not only are the couches left outside incredibly gross to the point of being a public health issue (weather, bugs, human waste, food, money that should never be used again), but having that cheap fuel around for drunken college kids is not a good idea, plus what Dave said about cigarette fire risk. I also heard there were homeless people crashing on couches, scaring young college girls coming out of their shared house in the morning. The neighborhoods look better without them, since putting couches out front was almost used as a disposal method. Now there's couch recycling drives, where people break them down and recycle the usable materials left in them! You can still put outdoor couches outside, but those are a different weather-proofed material, so they don't get nasty as quick. We've got a stipulation on our lease that says essentially: indoor furniture goes inside, outdoor furniture goes outside (or in if you really want to, that's your business).

    Yeah, the government could be spending their time on something more important, but assuming a riot or series of riots like we had, there was definitely a lot of cost the city had to cover because of it (like street repairs and cleanup). And all it would take is one homeless person to assault someone for there to be an outcry...

    10 weeks 1 day ago Report Comment
  • bastylefilegirl's picture
    bastylefilegirl
    18

    While I think porch couches are trashy,and tic tic ticky tacky a la "Pink Flamingos" why are there so many laws. Seriously people are getting regulated to death, I'm sure there are more pressing issues that require law in this city other than tacky porch furniture.

    10 weeks 1 day ago Report Comment
  • Jude C's picture
    Jude C
    19

    No, I don't think they should be allowed to legislate aesthetics.

    On a side note, Citizen, the answers to your poll question are a little confusing. You ask, "Should lawmakers have the ability to legislate what you can put on your own property?" but the "Yes" answer states, "Yes! There's no harm in the couches, it's just neighborly — and it unfairly hits students," which is actually answering "no" to the poll question. Then your "No" answer states "No way. Small things make a big difference and couches outside bring everyone down," which is actually answering "yes" to the poll question.

    Sorry for being nitpicky, it just struck me as odd.

    10 weeks 1 day ago Report Comment
  • Great Sommelier's picture
    Great Sommelier
    20

    "Seriously people are getting regulated to death,"

    That's very libertarian sounding of you! Come to the dark side. We have cake!

    10 weeks 1 day ago Report Comment
  • organicsugr's picture
    organicsugr
    21

    I'm very sensitive to this issue. For a while, I had the bench seat out of my project car on my porch, because there wasn't really anywhere else to store it. And I fear that someday I will be kicked out of the neighborhood.

    10 weeks 1 day ago Report Comment
  • organicsugr's picture
    organicsugr
    23

    Restoring a couple of cars now. I like the history of it as much as anything else.

    10 weeks 1 day ago Report Comment
  • rabidmoon's picture
    rabidmoon
    26

    I think the Uggs are the greater crime, and far more commonly seen. Laughing out loud

    In other news, wicker furniture with overly-padded and luxurious cushioning is trembling with fear at the news.....

    I can't say I have a huge problem with neighbourhoods being as pretty as possible, and its not a huge thing to ask of people to use more appropriate seating outside. Big deal. Money is no excuse when you can easily pick up cute lawnchairs or wicker for a song.

    Sticking out tongue

    10 weeks 1 day ago Report Comment
  • organicsugr's picture
    organicsugr
    28

    I've been looking for a 55-57 chevy forever too! But they're so pricey even in the worst shape. A 61 Plymouth Fury has has mad style though, especially as a police car.

    10 weeks 1 day ago Report Comment
  • hypnoticmix's picture
    hypnoticmix
    29

    I think in this case targeting aesthetics is the peripheral benefit of the real target and that is waste. As a few of you know I lived in Berkeley Ca. two blocks from U.C. Berkeley and every May and June the streets of Berkeley are littered with discarded ratty old sofa's and chairs, so there may be a few reasons why they're taking this action.

    I feel for the students on a budget but hey you can grab a cheap plastic out door chair at the dollar store or even for free on craigslist as easy as you can collect a ratty old sofa.

    10 weeks 1 day ago Report Comment
  • Great Sommelier's picture
    Great Sommelier
    30

    My parents used to organize the big regional car show around here. I grew up on this stuff. I have sat in:
    1. KITT
    2. The Peggy Sue - Buddy Holly's Car
    3. The original Batmobile
    4. The Wienermobile
    5. Ectomobile from Ghostbusters
    6. Grave Digger
    7. Bigfoot
    8. Shelby Mustang GT500
    9. General Lee

    10 weeks 1 day ago Report Comment
  • organicsugr's picture
    organicsugr
    32

    Where in Texas do you live again GS? I'd cruise up in the 68 to check it out.

    10 weeks 1 day ago Report Comment
  • Great Sommelier's picture
    Great Sommelier
    33

    It was where I grew up in East Texas. They don't do it anymore now. I miss it. There are some cool shows in DFW though. Austin should have some good ones, no?

    10 weeks 1 day ago Report Comment
  • kastarte2's picture
    kastarte2
    34

    The libertarians have cake?!? cake

    All the liberals only ever gave me celery stalks and carrot sticks. on the scale

    10 weeks 23 hours ago Report Comment
  • Great Sommelier's picture
    Great Sommelier
    35

    I'm sure they give you sprouts and soy milk too!
    And yes, we have cake. The real deal too. Dairy, eggs, white flour and sugar, you name it!

    10 weeks 23 hours ago Report Comment
  • Jude C's picture
    Jude C
    36

    Drool

    Now that you guys have started talking about cake, I'm going to end up making one out of the mix I have in the cupboard. Thanks for making this a carb day for me

    10 weeks 23 hours ago Report Comment
  • kastarte2's picture
    kastarte2
    37

    Hmmm... cake... um.. Yay Constitution! Stop trying to take away our Liberty!

    When do we get cake? cake

    10 weeks 23 hours ago Report Comment
  • NatashaAlexis's picture
    NatashaAlexis
    39

    Dose this law just apply to couches or dose it apply to benches as well?
    It is funny, there must be a lot of couches out there to make this law. Personally I've always felt an outdoor couch is just an insect motel! So what are they going to do t enforce this law? I'm picturing someone towe the couches away!

    10 weeks 5 hours ago Report Comment
  • jms92977's picture
    jms92977
    40

    I did not vote yes because couches outside are right, because it does look trashy. I voted yes because if one owns property one should be able to do what they want to with that property,( with the exception of septic issues), be it build a Wal Mart, cut every last tree off from it, put a couch on the lawn or add sand to the waterfront to make a beach.

    9 weeks 6 days ago Report Comment

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