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Issues Cheat Sheet: Where Do They Stand on Taxes?

Fri, 09/05/2008 - 2:00am by LibertySugar
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I love breaking down political personality and pageantry as much as the next person, but I still have hope that some voters care about the issues. Since we considered the possibility of a candidate's death recently, let's take a look at another inevitable — taxes.

Here are some crucial distinctions between McCain and Obama that might help you figure out which tax plan you like better. Keep in mind: neither of these plans (dreams?) would avoid a deficit.

  • Bush Tax Cuts: McCain wants to make the 2001 and 2003 cuts permanent (they are set to expire in 2010). Obama would allow cuts for income over $250,000 to expire, but would readopt other Bush cuts.
  • Capital Gains: Obama would most likely raise the capital gains tax from 15 percent to 20-25 percent, but also promises to offset any burden that would cause middle/lower income families with tax credits. Obama also notes that most families see capital gains through their 401 (k) plans, which are exempt from capital gain taxes. Despite evidence that when capital gains rates go down, revenue goes up, Obama says he would consider raising it as a matter of fairness. McCain would keep the capital gains at the revenue-making rate of 15 percent.
  • Middle Class: Under Obama, high-income taxpayers would pay more, while everyone else's tax bill would be reduced. Under McCain, high-income taxpayers will see the greatest reduction in taxes.

To find out what the candidates have planned for small businesses, major corporations, Americans set to inherit some money, and why they might write some Americans a check read more.

  • Small Business: McCain says he will make expensing rules more generous for small businesses. Barack Obama would eliminate the capital gains tax for start ups, and invest $250 million per year to increase small businesses in disadvantaged communities.
  • Death Tax and Alternative Minimum Tax: Both would reduce it, but Obama would by a lesser degree.
  • Corporate Taxes: McCain would lower the corporate tax rate from 35 to 25 percent in exchange for a repeal of some corporate loopholes, such as preferential treatment for oil companies. Obama would eliminate special-interest loopholes and deductions.
  • Refundable Tax Credit: McCain proposes cutting a check for $2,500 to individuals and $5,000 for families if they purchase their own health plan. Obama would provide such a credit to low-income families (who may not qualify to pay income taxes), to help pay for child-care.

Overall, under McCain on average an American's tax bill would be cut by $1,200, while under Obama it will be cut by $160. But, Obama would give larger tax cuts to low and moderate-income households and pay some of it by raising taxes on high-income taxpayers. Under McCain high-income taxpayers would benefit the most. And don't forget — the president doesn't actually have any power to tax. The next president will have to get Congress on board if he wants to do anything at all!

Check out these sources if you want to know more about the candidate's positions:

  • Barack Obama's fiscal plan
  • John McCain's fiscal plan
  • Libertarian candidate Bob Barr's tax plan
  • Green candidate Ralph Nader's tax plan
  • Tax Policy Center
  • Source

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  • rabidmoon's picture
    rabidmoon
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    *hugs Liberty*

    I will be reading every one of those links today. Thank you for making it easier to hunt down some meat on the economy.

    12 weeks 6 days ago Report Comment
  • Bmoney's picture
    Bmoney
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    All McCain has for a policy is a video of short soundbytes for an economic plan? He keeps saying he will keep taxes low but I am sure he means for the wealthiest americans. This may seem rude but I really feel that the Republicans think that Americans are a bunch of simpletons. Stop trying to scare us with blowhards like Guiliani. WE NEED AN ACTUAL CHANGE and a President who answers questions in more that 3-5 words. OBAMA-BIDEN 2009

    12 weeks 6 days ago Report Comment
  • FitZucchero's picture
    FitZucchero
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    Thanks, Liberty. With the economy being such an important topic in this election and thousands of people losing their homes every day, I hope that voters take the time to acquaint themselves with this issue.

    If I had a dollar for every time I heard someone say that Obama was going to raise their taxes when they themselves earn less than 250K/year, I would...well, I would probably be earning enough to be taxed more under Obama's policy.

    12 weeks 6 days ago Report Comment
  • hausfrau's picture
    hausfrau
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    Great post Lib!

    I have a big problem with raising the capital gains tax since its been proven to cause so much revenue for the gov't when its low. I don't think Obama is petty, but it seems when you do something in spite of the truth of it, that he's trying to just stick it to what he considers rich people.

    12 weeks 6 days ago Report Comment
  • hausfrau's picture
    hausfrau
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    He wants to raise the capital gains tax to make more money for the govt in spite of the fact that a lower capital gains tax makes more revenue for the govt.

    12 weeks 6 days ago Report Comment
  • CaterpillarGirl's picture
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    Bmoney, there is much more on McCains economic plan than a sound byte. He doesnt think americans are simpletons, and neither does the republican party.

    and i have seen him say more than 3-5 words, but I like his straight talk better than someone who goes on and on and in the end says nothing.

    12 weeks 6 days ago Report Comment
  • Jillness's picture
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    "McCain proposes cutting a check for $2,500 to individuals and $5,000 for families if they purchase their own health plan"

    It is interesting that it is so often left out that McCain's plan would now include employer paid health care as INCOME that you would be taxed on (average cost $9-$12,000 per year).

    12 weeks 6 days ago Report Comment
  • Jillness's picture
    Jillness
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    I have read from the Tax Policy Center that Obama's plan gives most Americans an "after-tax income" increase. So they get to take home MORE of their money, an increase of 4-5.8%.

    Under McCain's plan, those people would see a increase of only 0.2-0.7%.

    12 weeks 6 days ago Report Comment
  • hausfrau's picture
    hausfrau
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    But Jill, if you're already not paying taxes, then how are those people getting more of their money?

    12 weeks 6 days ago Report Comment
  • FoxyLoxy's picture
    FoxyLoxy
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    What is the benefit of giving the greatest tax breaks to the rich and big corps? Can someone explain that to me?

    12 weeks 6 days ago Report Comment
  • FoxyLoxy's picture
    FoxyLoxy
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    "Bmoney, there is much more on McCains economic plan than a sound byte"

    What is it?

    12 weeks 6 days ago Report Comment
  • FoxyLoxy's picture
    FoxyLoxy
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    *Just one more post in a row! Smiling

    "he's trying to just stick it to what he considers rich people."

    In a perfect world...

    The gov't needs money to run itself. Where should this money come from? The middle class, who are feeling the effects of this economy the worst OR the wealthy who are not feeling the affects?

    It seems pretty simple to me.

    12 weeks 6 days ago Report Comment
  • CaterpillarGirl's picture
    CaterpillarGirl
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    I am not going to do the cut and paste from McCains economic plan, but if you think a video is it, than i will tell you its not.

    its called research, and everyone should do it.

    12 weeks 6 days ago Report Comment
  • hausfrau's picture
    hausfrau
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    But Foxy thats just the point, the fact is a lower capital gains tax = more revenue for the govt. So why RAISE it, and get LESS money? Because one thinks they are taking it out on rich people and it sounds good to those who don't understand what it truly means.

    So the end result is that you get less money and it affects more than just rich people because more than just rich people have investments.

    Thats why it makes no sense!

    12 weeks 6 days ago Report Comment
  • hausfrau's picture
    hausfrau
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    If raising the capital gains tax actually meant more revenue, I wouldnt agree with it but at least I could see the logic!

    12 weeks 6 days ago Report Comment
  • FoxyLoxy's picture
    FoxyLoxy
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    Cat: I was referring to the post about taxes, sorry, a little miscommunication.

    Haus: I wasn't really talking about capital gains, just his tax plan in general.

    12 weeks 6 days ago Report Comment
  • hausfrau's picture
    hausfrau
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    Ahhhh ok Foxy I see what you're saying. Clearly thats a difference that falls to party lines. Smiling

    12 weeks 6 days ago Report Comment
  • cassedy04's picture
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    foxy, regarding your question about tax breaks for the big corps...

    i think the idea is that if the big corporations have more money, it will "trickle down" to its employees - i.e. if they have more income that is not taxed, they will use that income to give their employees raises. personally, i dont buy it because i dont see big corporations being so selfless but thats just my individual opinion.

    12 weeks 6 days ago Report Comment
  • lilkimbo's picture
    lilkimbo
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    It is interesting that it is so often left out that the U.S. currently has the second highest corporate tax rate in the world.

    12 weeks 6 days ago Report Comment
  • lilkimbo's picture
    lilkimbo
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    So, the idea of cutting corporate taxes isn't only about the trickle down effect (which has been proven, whether anyone thinks businesses are benevolent or not), it's also about encouraging companies to keep their operations in the U.S.

    12 weeks 6 days ago Report Comment
  • FoxyLoxy's picture
    FoxyLoxy
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    Ok, what is the benefit of giving tax breaks to the wealthy versus the middle class (who could REALLY use the money right now).

    12 weeks 6 days ago Report Comment
  • lilkimbo's picture
    lilkimbo
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    Who is giving tax breaks to the wealthy and not the middle class?

    12 weeks 6 days ago Report Comment
  • lilkimbo's picture
    lilkimbo
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    And the benefit of giving tax breaks to everyone, like John McCain's plan does, is to stimulate the economy.

    12 weeks 6 days ago Report Comment
  • lilkimbo's picture
    lilkimbo
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    The other reason for the across the board tax cuts is the simple fact that a lot of people in this country believe that the federal government has grown far too large and imposes far too many taxes, that it has strayed from its original purpose.

    12 weeks 6 days ago Report Comment
  • MartiniLush's picture
    MartiniLush
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    Thanks, Liberty! I am going to make good use of all those links in my down time today!

    12 weeks 6 days ago Report Comment
  • yesteryear's picture
    yesteryear
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    Jill:

    "It is interesting that it is so often left out that McCain's plan would now include employer paid health care as INCOME that you would be taxed on (average cost $9-$12,000 per year)."

    HOLY CRAP. that is the worst idea ever. i looked it up and found this article
    http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/dmn/stories/081608dnpol...

    i suggest you all read it. you think health insurance is bad now?! under mccain we'd be taxed on it, only given a measly $5,000 credit to apply toward it or purchase our own insurance (which is crazy low) and somehow this is supposed to inspire people to purchase their own, less expensive, insurance and push costs down. if anyones ever had the fantastically-depressing experience of having to try to find insurance with a pre-existing condition, and has relied on group/employer-based insurance to get around these ridiculous requirements that keep health care out of reach from the people who need it most, they will QUICKLY see the vast gaps in this solution. i am going to tell everyone i know about this plan. that alone is enough reason NOT to vote for mccain.

    12 weeks 6 days ago Report Comment
  • lilkimbo's picture
    lilkimbo
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    Caterpillar, my sister was able to get health insurance pretty easily with several pre-existing conditions, as well.

    12 weeks 6 days ago Report Comment
  • raciccarone's picture
    raciccarone
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    I don't think anyone can say the health care system works. It's the most cumbersome and expensive in the world while covering the least amount of its citizens. If you're a fiscal conservative, the waste is beyond description. If you're a social liberal, the inhumanity of what people have to go through when they're ill is simply awful. Our system, simply put is the worst of both worlds.

    12 weeks 6 days ago Report Comment
  • lilkimbo's picture
    lilkimbo
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    I don't think the current healthcare system is working, but I don't think a state run healthcare system is the answer.

    12 weeks 6 days ago Report Comment
  • mswender's picture
    mswender
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    Well it is in many other countries! I fell and broke my leg in march. I have health insurance through my job, but it is really bad and I am stuck paying for over half of my bills which is thousands of dollars. Thankfully I have moved back in with my parents so I can afford to pay for the two surgeries I had to have to be able to walk again. And now I can go back to my job because I worked on my feet and am trying to find a new job with the main thing I want is good health benefits because I got screwed over. Go Obama!

    12 weeks 6 days ago Report Comment
  • lilkimbo's picture
    lilkimbo
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    Wow, I didn't realize we based our domestic policy on what works in other countries. China is quickly growing, maybe we should introduce communism.

    12 weeks 6 days ago Report Comment
  • lilkimbo's picture
    lilkimbo
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    Also, nothing against anyone in particular, but I continue to be amazed at the number of adults who don't bother to pay attention to what kind of health insurance they have until its too late.

    12 weeks 6 days ago Report Comment
  • raciccarone's picture
    raciccarone
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    Now, now, 'kimbo, that's not fair. Our constitution is based on the Magna Carta, is that wrong? Even the popular show The Office was based on a British version. Taking ideas from other countries if they work is not shameful. In fact, our entire population is based on that principle.

    We do need to find something between Kafka-esque government-run program and a capitalist system that prizes profit over human life.

    12 weeks 6 days ago Report Comment
  • lilkimbo's picture
    lilkimbo
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    I don't have a problem taking ideas from other countries, I just don't think, "It works in other countries, so we should do it here," is a valid argument.

    12 weeks 6 days ago Report Comment
  • lilkimbo's picture
    lilkimbo
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    I wish all health care was non-profit, actually, not government-run, but run my non-profit organizations like the Cleveland Clinic.

    12 weeks 6 days ago Report Comment
  • raciccarone's picture
    raciccarone
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    That's interesting. A non-profit. I've never heard that idea before. So, how do you attract quality health care professionals? Let's say someone needs an expensive brain operation, how could something like that be handled.

    I'm quite serious, this issue really does fascinate me.

    12 weeks 6 days ago Report Comment
  • lilkimbo's picture
    lilkimbo
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    Well, The Cleveland Clinic and other non-profit hospitals still charge their patients, but give free care to those without insurance or those who can't afford it. (They try to collect, but the process to show that you can't pay is fairly simple.) They still pay their doctors quite well, also. The one obvious problem with running all hospitals like this is funding. The Cleveland Clinic has been lucky enough to have several large-scale donors, including Al Lerner (MBNA Founder and owner of the Cleveland Browns), who either donated a large sum before he died or in his will. (I forget which right now.) The Clinic also has a board that invests a certain sum and part of their operating costs come from the dividends. It's wishful thinking, but if we could get enough donors to fund these kinds of hospitals, I think it would be ideal.

    12 weeks 6 days ago Report Comment