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Divine Intervention: 1 in 2 Say Prayer Saves the Dying. Do You?

Tue, 08/19/2008 - 6:44am by CitizenSugar
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Paging Dr. God? More than half of adults in the US put more faith in the divine than in a doctor's care — 57 percent said God's intervention could save a dying family member even if their doctor had declared treatment futile. Researchers say this data should spur doctors into being prepared "to deal with families who are waiting for a miracle."

Oddly, the strong show of faith over doctoring may be a result of leaps in medical care. The author of the study says that advances in trauma treatment has allowed more patients to survive past the scene of an accident, living longer and allowing more time for hope and prayer. He says, hospital trauma specialists "are much more heavily engaged in the death process," and that he frequently meets people who think God will save their dying loved one. It's a tricky balance, mediating a miracle. He says, "you have to respect that," while still showing the medical facts that may ultimate prove otherwise.

With prayer even being credited with softening gas prices, where do you stand?

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  • stephley's picture
    stephley
    1

    If prayer predictably saved the dying then we wouldn't have such enormous medical costs.

    15 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • True Song's picture
    True Song
    2

    Does that guy in the middle's shirt say, I love my German Shepherd?

    I generally denounce anything supernatural, but I read somewhere, some day, in a place faraway, that a study showed patients did show incredible improvement when people prayed for them, and here's the kicker, when the patient didn't know. So no placebo effect. That is freaky stuff. But of course I have no reference or citation, so it could have been on a tv show or something.

    15 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • BloodyFuFu's picture
    BloodyFuFu
    3

    I think that prayer can ease the mind and provide comfort, which can help the health of the one praying but nothing more. If prayer worked than I wouldn't have lost my father when I was 5. Can't say that I believe in anything but proof I can see with my own eyes.

    15 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • em1282's picture
    em1282
    5

    LOL, torg, I was just going to write that! Maybe he's praying for his dog. Smiling

    It's all what you believe. I was raised Cathlolic and pray every night, but do I know for sure, without fail, that prayer helps? I believe it, but I don't know it for sure.

    15 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • acyl's picture
    acyl
    6

    Well it sure as hell didn't work for my little sister.

    Nothing fails like prayer!

    15 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • Jillness's picture
    Jillness
    7

    I have also seen studies where prayer didn't help, it actually hurt. I don't put a whole lot in studies of this nature because they usually have an agenda and how do you quantify praying? Do they track only people with the same illness (and chance of survival)?

    IMO, if you believe, pray.
    If you don't, don't.

    15 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • Jazz Z's picture
    Jazz Z
    8

    I personally don't believe in God other than God is everywhere and in all things beautiful (Chopra/Dyer philosophy), but I think the power of faith is amazingly strong. I also agree that advances in medical treatment have come a long way. I watched where a man who had been frozen for half an hour was slowly brought back to life. Another where they had to stop the heart completely for about five minutes in order to repair the heart and before starting up again. Also, the natural survival instincts of the brain are amazing too. A great example of this is in the documentary Touching the Void about one man's miraculous story of survival.

    15 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • CaterpillarGirl's picture
    CaterpillarGirl
    10

    I absolutely believe in the power of prayer, that God can heal, that faith is a powerful tool in healing, I belive that Doctors arent the only factor in saving someones life. You can say that by praying it gives a person hope, and therefore they get better having nothing to do with divine intervention, but who is to say that isnt the divine?

    If you dont believe that prayer works, or in God, thats your business and I respect that. To each thier own really. I am sure there are millions out there that said prayer healed them and millions that said they prayed and never got healed and even more that say they dont believe in God and they got better or worse regardless.

    15 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • MartiniLush's picture
    MartiniLush
    11

    I have had personal experience where I have seen prayer work, so I totally believe it can.

    15 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • Jazz Z's picture
    Jazz Z
    12

    How does one tell whether it was God or just faith?

    Torg, is there a reason someone should pray for you Puzzled

    15 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • yesteryear's picture
    yesteryear
    13

    it can't hurt... but shouldn't be relied upon as a replacement for medical treatment.

    15 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • MartiniLush's picture
    MartiniLush
    14

    JazzZ, I suppose that would depend on the point of view of the person praying. I suppose you could say that it was really just that the person so believed it would work that "the power of thinking/believing" manifested the desired result. I happen to believe that God can work miracles, so that is how I interpret my experience.

    15 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • UnDave35's picture
    UnDave35
    15

    Of course prayer helps. It isn't the end all and definitely shouldn't be in place of proper medical care, but miracles do happen, and miracles don't happen without faith and prayer.

    15 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • True Song's picture
    True Song
    17

    What sarcasm? Jillness said she read a study indicating prayer might be detrimental...

    15 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • Jazz Z's picture
    Jazz Z
    19

    I think faith and prayer both have a lot of power unless you don't have faith in the prayer.

    15 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • True Song's picture
    True Song
    20

    Wait, now I'm really confused. I wasn't being sarcastic...unless you mean "I read somewhere, some day, in a place faraway," but I just meant I can't remember where I heard it.

    15 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • Jazz Z's picture
    Jazz Z
    21

    UnDAve are you sure your comment 16 wasn't for torg's 9?

    15 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • UnDave35's picture
    UnDave35
    23

    If your comment (#2) wasn't sarcastic, then I apologize. I thought you were trying to beat the Uber-Christian who want to apostalicize and make a pronouncement of faith by giving some third or fourth person story about a cousin's brother's boyfriend's grandma who heard about Johnny who had some disease who was told that he couldn't be cured and had 6 months to live. When he went for a 2nd opinion, he had nothing wrong. The 2nd opinion happened after the boy went and had his pastor pray with and for him. God removed his disease.
    I am sorry that I missunderstood.

    15 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • True Song's picture
    True Song
    24

    Oh, no Sorry. I was being genuine, I actually heard of some study where one group of patients was prayed for and the other wasn't. And the people getting the prayers did get better. And they couldn't write it off as placebo or psychological or whatever since the patients didn't know about it.

    I just tried googling it and couldn't find anything, and the more I think about it, I think it was actually on tv. Sorry. This was just a big waste.

    Muddled sarcasm isn't my style! I'll leave that to some other sweet poster.

    15 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • UnDave35's picture
    UnDave35
    25

    Yeah, I'm not very good at sarcasm either. Eye-wink
    (Ok, I hope that sounded sarcastic.)

    15 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • True Song's picture
    True Song
    29

    Ooh, lookin' good!

    And I think that is the study! I feel less bad for being so fuzzy on the details since that article is 8 years old...

    15 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • True Song's picture
    True Song
    30

    Very nice!

    I think it's easier to notice the switch into and out of gold than the switch from platinum to diamond because of the contrast.

    15 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • MartiniLush's picture
    MartiniLush
    32

    Torg, I am astonished that you even remember something that long ago! Have a drink on me!

    15 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • True Song's picture
    True Song
    33

    Well you can imagine how unsettling a study like that would be to a staunch non-believer.

    15 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • ally14's picture
    ally14
    34

    As a doctor, I can tell you that 9 out of 10 times, medicine trumps faith but there have been times where it's really just a miracle and there's no scientific explanation for it.

    15 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • CaterpillarGirl's picture
    CaterpillarGirl
    35

    Ally how do you know that, the 9 times out of ten its medicine? I being a person of faith would count it all as being in Gods Hands.

    15 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • Michelin's picture
    Michelin
    36

    I'm not a religious person, but I believe positive thought and fighting a disease mentally can have an effect. So maybe if the sick individual prays, it can be helpful, but it wasn't the prayer per se that did the healing. Obviously there are some recoveries beyond human explanation, but that doesn't make them divine. I just wouldn't be so arrogant as to assume I knew the answer either way. Of course, if you're religious, there's no arguing with faith.

    15 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • hypnoticmix's picture
    hypnoticmix
    38

    “Science “is not designed to study the supernatural,”

    “There are no scientific grounds to expect a result and there are no real theological grounds to expect a result either,” he said. “There is no god in either the Christian, Jewish or Moslem scriptures that can be constrained to the point that they can be predicted.”

    “Within the Christian tradition, God would be expected to be concerned with a person's eternal salvation, he said, and “why would God change his plans for a particular person just because they're in a research study?”

    “Dr. David Stevens, executive director of the Christian Medical and Dental Associations, said he believes intercessory prayer can influence medical outcomes, but that science is not equipped to explore it.”

    15 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • amybdk's picture
    amybdk
    39

    Wow! I'm blinded by all of the diamonds in the house!

    Congrats, Martini & Dave!

    3 cheers!

    15 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • bengalspice's picture
    bengalspice
    40

    Having faith in science and medicine is the reason why my dad is undergoing chemotherapy now for germ cell cancer because doctors said they cured his cancer through radiation therapy 3 years ago when in actuality they did nothing to prevent the cancer from spreading. It's the same science and medicine that refused to catch the cancer when his blood tests came back weird and he was getting sick more frequently.

    Now prayer is the only thing comforting my dad through his chemo and the constant nights he spends in the hospital because science and medicine took too long to catch his cancer.

    Thanks to science and medicine my one-income family is scrapping by to survive without my dad the breadwinner.

    15 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • True Song's picture
    True Song
    41

    >Thanks to science and medicine my one-income family is scrapping by to survive without my dad the breadwinner.

    Pretty sure it's the cancer, not the medicine.

    15 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • UnDave35's picture
    UnDave35
    43

    Not to drop company names, but Aflac's Cancer insurance would've helped out quite a bit. I would look into for the rest of the family.

    15 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • Michelin's picture
    Michelin
    44

    Torg, it's easier to blame science and medicine, though. Especially with the attitude some doctors have. But certainly it's the cancer.

    15 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • UnDave35's picture
    UnDave35
    46

    Oh yeah, Thanks amy
    :embarass: