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Ever Wonder If Amish Girls Are Expected to Forgive Rape?

Thu, 07/17/2008 - 3:45pm by CitizenSugar
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Think the Amish are gentle, peace-loving folk? Or haven't you given the faith much thought since Amish in the City? If your experience with this quiet faith stops with Witness, here's another look.

Torah Bontrager escaped her Amish community at 15 after coming close to committing suicide. Now, at 27, the Columbia grad is speaking out about common misconceptions about the Amish and her escape.

In an interview with author Tim Ferriss, she lists the pros and cons of her Amish childhood. Here are some high- (and low-) lights:

Pros of Growing Up Amish

  • The emphasis on the solidarity of the extended family unit
  • The emphasis on being hospitable to strangers, helping those in need, whether Amish or “English” (anyone who’s not Amish is “English")
  • Building your own houses, growing your own food, sewing your own clothes

Cons of Growing Up Amish

  • The rape, incest, and other sexual abuse that run rampant in the community
  • Physical and verbal abuse in the name of discipline
  • Women (and children) have no rights

For people with a peaceful, forgive-and-forget creed, I wondered how so much violence could be possible. To find out how, read more.

Forgiveness is a virtue for the Amish — not forgiving is worse than the sin— so it's actually quite easy: you forgive and then you forget. You forget.

Mary Byler is all too familiar with Torah's story. She left her Amish family at 20 when her brother began molesting her 4-year-old sister. After enduring beatings, sexual abuse, and rape since age 6 herself, she called outside authorities and moved out of the community.

Growing up, she regularly told her mother that her brother and cousins were "being bad" to her (she didn't know what else to call it). Her mother responded unsympathetically, saying, "you don't fight hard enough and you don't pray hard enough." The boys had already confessed in church so complaining about it was just being unforgiving.

"If you don't forgive, you won't be forgiven" were Jesus's words but the Amish live by them. While they generally create a pacifist culture, the words can also be twisted to justify abuse. "It's like any other society. You have great families, very well-balanced, but you also have dysfunctional ones," Mary said, "Take the Amish off the pedestal. They're just like everybody else."

While the Amish are not exempt from the law, the government rarely interferes (although they did this week!) because they are peaceful, law-abiding people. Considering that it is not acceptable to take an accusation, like Mary did, outside the Amish community — it's a sign of resentment — should the government take them off their homemade pedestal so they can see in?

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  • torgleson's picture
    torgleson
    2

    "It's like any other society. You have great families, very well-balanced, but you also have dysfunctional ones."

    This seems like the key. Unfortunately, no news organization is every going to run a story about a happy, well-balanced family. Only the dysfunctional ones are newsworthy.

    7 weeks 1 day ago Report Comment
  • stephley's picture
    stephley
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    I just googled Amish, rape and incest (I hope my boss never sees that) and quite a number of articles came up over quite a number of years - not just the same one or two stories repeated. If there is a problem in the Amish community, and the local authorities are aware there are problems, then absolutely something should be done. Religion doesn't give you the right to break the law of the country that protects your right to worship.
    Honestly, what we do to each other in the name of God is utterly insane.

    7 weeks 1 day ago Report Comment
  • torgleson's picture
    torgleson
    5

    Haha. I worry my boss will see me googling Britney, but Amish rape is totally worse.

    7 weeks 1 day ago Report Comment
  • MartiniLush's picture
    MartiniLush
    6

    Wow, I would never have guessed this was something that would happen in the Amish community. It's awful! I just can't get my mind around this statement from the article:

    "you don't fight hard enough and you don't pray hard enough." The boys had already confessed in church so complaining about it was just being unforgiving.

    I can't believe this...

    7 weeks 1 day ago Report Comment
  • Great Sommelier's picture
    Great Sommelier
    7

    "Unfortunately, no news organization is every going to run a story about a happy, well-balanced family. Only the dysfunctional ones are newsworthy."

    Exactly Torgleson. It's reminds me of the first line in Anna Karenina, "Happy families are all alike; every unhappy family is unhappy in its own way." No news is good news mostly in family life.

    "Women (and children) have no rights"

    This can be said about DEVOUT followers of just about every religion. And that is sad.

    7 weeks 1 day ago Report Comment
  • torgleson's picture
    torgleson
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    Exactly. There are crazies of every religion (and atheist crazies, too!). They give everyone a bad name, since the headlines never read, "Christian Woman Leads Happy Balanced Life, Doesn't Tell Neighbors They're Hellbound"

    7 weeks 1 day ago Report Comment
  • hypnoticmix's picture
    hypnoticmix
    9

    Well now that you ask, no I haven't.

    I have no reason to doubt her testimony in regards to her experience, but I'm curious as to how she can paint the whole community with such a broad brush. Definitely something to look more closely at.

    7 weeks 1 day ago Report Comment
  • Great Sommelier's picture
    Great Sommelier
    11

    "Christian Woman Leads Happy Balanced Life, Doesn't Tell Neighbors They're Hellbound"

    And exactly Hypno. I can't speak for even my local community, let alone my state. I can't speak for my denomination, let alone all of Christianity. etc.

    7 weeks 1 day ago Report Comment
  • stephley's picture
    stephley
    12

    The 'how could she speak for everyone' question led to my google and the surprising number of other, past articles on the same subject.

    7 weeks 1 day ago Report Comment
  • stephley's picture
    stephley
    13

    The 'how could she speak for everyone' question led to my google and the surprising number of other, past articles on the same subject.

    7 weeks 1 day ago Report Comment
  • MartiniLush's picture
    MartiniLush
    14

    Steph, were there any statistical comparisons to this in relation to the US as a whole? Just wondering if it's a case of sensationalization since it is in the Amish community?

    7 weeks 1 day ago Report Comment
  • MartiniLush's picture
    MartiniLush
    15

    Not that that would change the fact that it is abhorrent that anyone would be told that they were raped because they didn't pray hard enough!

    7 weeks 1 day ago Report Comment
  • colleenb's picture
    colleenb
    16

    I imagine it happens at a rate similar to the rest of the country, but what's startling is there is really no one from them to go to. Not every Amish family would react, or not react, as these girls' families, but this is not a group who is open about sex or interested in being judged by anyone's laws except their own.

    7 weeks 1 day ago Report Comment
  • kikidawn's picture
    kikidawn
    17

    "If there is a problem in the Amish community, and the local authorities are aware there are problems, then absolutely something should be done. Religion doesn't give you the right to break the law of the country that protects your right to worship."

    Very well put Stephley

    7 weeks 1 day ago Report Comment
  • annebreal's picture
    annebreal
    18

    I grew up about 5 minutes away from Amish homes and farms, and I've never heard about the sexual abuse but it doesn't surprise me, either. The one thing I think we could learn from them is definitely their sense of community, and how they don't have social security numbers because they take care of their own and don't use any of the benefits.

    7 weeks 1 day ago Report Comment
  • Jude C's picture
    Jude C
    19

    This is quite awful. And while there are definitely strong advantages to these sorts of extremely tight and insular communities, clearly being so insular that it's difficult for victims to seek true help at the time of abuse is a huge disadvantage. I wonder if there is a way to ensure better legal protections for them while still maintaining respect for their way of life?

    7 weeks 1 day ago Report Comment
  • L0neLyHeArT's picture
    L0neLyHeArT
    20

    I think that its awful that they have to live kid of life. What some people will do for religion. Sad

    7 weeks 23 hours ago Report Comment
  • Blondie99's picture
    Blondie99
    21

    In Anthropology I learned about retributive and restorative justice. Retributive is about punishment and "teaching someone a lesson" but doesn't consider the victim's healing as much as "restorative" justice does.

    Restorative justice considers how the victim will feel most at peace. And in a lot of cultures all around the world, forgiveness is considered a good way to make peace after a traumatizing experience. Not one sided forgiveness, but forgiveness that is met with an equal amount of remorse and repentance.

    So in some ways I think the Amish community has a point. Also, restorative justice usually takes place in small communities where you can't afford to banish someone from the community for forever!

    I thought this article was really interesting. But I have to admit that once I clicked "read more" I was over-whelmed. It was too long.

    7 weeks 23 hours ago Report Comment
  • Lady Boleyn's picture
    Lady Boleyn
    22

    Has anyone read the book Plain Truth by Jodi Picoult? If you haven't, it is about an eighteen year old Amish girl who gives birth to a baby that dies. However, she denies the fact that she was ever pregnant, let alone killed her child. While it does not deal with rape, it is interesting to see the Amish world and the English world collide.

    Side note, I love Jodi Picoult books... got to love My Sister's Keeper . coffee drinker

    7 weeks 22 hours ago Report Comment
  • stephley's picture
    stephley
    24

    I haven't seen any statistics and I wonder if there really are any trustworthy numbers because how would anyone get them? To be statistically valid, sexual assaults or incest would have to be verified if not actually reported to police.

    Hunter, how did your post fail?

    7 weeks 22 hours ago Report Comment
  • Lady Boleyn's picture
    Lady Boleyn
    25

    I meant to just make the book title italicized, however I put the wrong back slash... I need more practice to become such a skilled poster Smiling

    7 weeks 22 hours ago Report Comment
  • stephley's picture
    stephley
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    I'm afraid to try italics or bold - took me forever to risk smileys, so you're still way ahead of me.

    7 weeks 21 hours ago Report Comment
  • Lady Boleyn's picture
    Lady Boleyn
    27

    haha I figured it was a good try with a book title. However, I think it was too big of a risk for me at this time Eye-wink

    7 weeks 21 hours ago Report Comment
  • stephley's picture
    stephley
    28

    Actually, it kind of works as a 'this is an aside' indicator.

    7 weeks 21 hours ago Report Comment
  • torgleson's picture
    torgleson
    29

    I wonder, too, if the rate of assault is the same lower or higher in these communities. It would be difficult to get an accurate read, I would guess.

    7 weeks 21 hours ago Report Comment
  • stephley's picture
    stephley
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    It's interesting how we idealize communities like the Amish and Quakers, for a simplicity that would drive most of us nuts and we somehow assume that they aren't afflicted with the dark drives or craziness that the rest of us have. It's got to be incredibly hard to repress so much - even the Dalai Lama says he has struggles sometimes and he's allowed a little more leeway in the world.

    7 weeks 21 hours ago Report Comment
  • snowbunny11's picture
    snowbunny11
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    Blondie- I don't think in this highly patriachal community, that the main concern when it comes to sexual abuse of CHILDREN and rape, that the main concern is how the victim will feel most at peace.

    This is so sad, on so many levels, because I really feel like we do idealize the Amish and the Quakers, like stephley said.

    7 weeks 19 hours ago Report Comment
  • Silverlining10's picture
    Silverlining10
    32

    Gosh, I certainly idealized the Amish. I even considered running off and joining it. Despite the brain-washing religion and abuse, they still learn some good values. I mean, learning how to take care of yourself, being nice to those in need, and embracing forgiveness are very good things. However, now I know the Amish aren't that wonderful, either.

    Children in Amish communities should be educated about their options...Calling authorities, learning police stations are safe places, etc. They should at least know they have more to live for.

    7 weeks 17 hours ago Report Comment
  • KrisSugar's picture
    KrisSugar
    33

    i've read that book hunterme! very interesting! I don't want to say I learned all the information I know from an Amish themed novel, but I hope it was accurate.

    7 weeks 12 hours ago Report Comment
  • CaterpillarGirl's picture
    CaterpillarGirl
    34

    I have to agree with other posters about this kind of stuff happening in every culture every religion, its just news because the amish are so isolated from the rest of society.

    7 weeks 12 hours ago Report Comment
  • Lady Boleyn's picture
    Lady Boleyn
    35

    I agree that every culture has it's dark side. I believe that when it is the Amish, it is blown out of portion more (for lack of a better term). When something occurs less often, it makes it a bigger story when it does (i.e. school shootings over other shootings).

    Kris- Isn't it so good?! If you read that though, you have to have read "My Sister's Keeper" which is even better!

    7 weeks 12 hours ago Report Comment
  • kastarte2's picture
    kastarte2
    36

    hunter, I read "My Sister's Keeper" in one day and cired like a baby the whole time. You know they are making a movie right? With Cameron Diaz and Abigail Breslin? Not so sure how it will turn out but I will still go see it.

    I haven't read any picoult books since then. I found Sister's Keeper emotionally draining but I think it only hit me so hard because my brother is still recovering from leukemia. Do you have any suggestions on other Picoult books?

    7 weeks 10 hours ago Report Comment
  • CaterpillarGirl's picture
    CaterpillarGirl
    37

    Nineteen Minutes by Jodi Piccoult is my favorite of hers. its about a school shooting, but so much more than that. its amazing

    7 weeks 10 hours ago Report Comment
  • Lady Boleyn's picture
    Lady Boleyn
    38

    I am really curious how the casting will play out in the movie. I don't really like any of the castings since I didn't picture Campbell being anything like Alec Baldwin.

    Has anyone seen the Lifetime movie of "Plain Truth"? I know it stars Mariska Hargitay, but I have yet to ever catch it.

    7 weeks 10 hours ago Report Comment
  • torgleson's picture
    torgleson
    39

    I remember the shooting in the Amish school a few years back. That was so sad.

    7 weeks 10 hours ago Report Comment
  • CaterpillarGirl's picture
    CaterpillarGirl
    40

    Hunter I saw it and it left out all the scenes of the girl going to visit her brother and meeting the father of the baby.

    7 weeks 9 hours ago Report Comment
  • kamiko82's picture
    kamiko82
    41

    Um yes they should be taken off a pedastal!
    Are there any religious fundamentalists who AREN"T into incest?! These men are so sick.

    7 weeks 2 hours ago Report Comment
  • Jude C's picture
    Jude C
    42

    "Are there any religious fundamentalists who AREN"T into incest?!"

    That's a pretty huge generalization...

    7 weeks 2 hours ago Report Comment
  • stephley's picture
    stephley
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    It seems a huge generalization, but my only criticism of the question is the narrowing it down to incest. I do think perversions are more likely the more intensely a person aheres to religious fundamentalism.

    6 weeks 6 days ago Report Comment
  • torgleson's picture
    torgleson
    44

    I agree. Though I'm sure someone will want to twist what you're saying into "OMG if you believe in Jesus you probably want to do your sister!"

    6 weeks 6 days ago Report Comment