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Prisons Running Out of Dough and Turning Prisoners Out

Tue, 05/06/2008 - 2:00am by CitizenSugar
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Both sides of the pond are facing a prison problem. In the US, states facing budget crises are now looking at an alternative to raising taxes — let's just say it's a lock-checking idea. They're letting prisoners go free well before their sentences are completed.

In a time of tough budget decisions and rising prison costs, a choice has to be made. Marc Mauer, executive director of the Sentencing Project, a Washington located group that supports fairer sentencing, said: “Do you want to build prisons or build colleges? If you’re a governor, it’s kind of come to that choice right now.”

To see how some states are compromising on containment, and what's happening in the UK, read more.

  • California, one of the hardest hit states has proposed letting go 22,000 nonviolent, nonsexual offenders nearly two years earlier than sentenced to save nearly $1.1 billion over two years.
  • Providence, RI approved a “good time” early-release program, which will place a greater number of inmates under post-prison supervision and is expected to save $8 billion over five years.
  • Mississippi has seen their inmate population double during the past twelve years. Governor Haley Barbour has signed into law two measures to ease the financial burden. One is to let nonviolent offenders go after serving 25% of their term and the other is to release terminally ill prisoners.
  • Kentucky is looking at a $900 million deficit over two years and has a plan to let non-violent, non-sexual offenders serve 180 days of their terms at home, which is expected to save $30 million.
  • It's not just the US experiencing a problem holding their prisoners. A new documentary paints a scary picture: to ease similar overcrowding, hundreds of dangerous offenders, including murderers, are being sent to low security open prisons and then — oops — escaping.

    Apparently since Labour came to power almost ten years ago, 14,000 criminals have “absconded” from open prisons, including many dangerous offenders, and some 149 offenders are still at large — including murderers, armed robbers and drug smugglers. The low-security prisons are aptly named — 130 murderers have escaped from them in the past 10 years - more than one a month.

    Considering that the US has 25 percent of the world's prison population is this a troubling trend? Do states have the right priorities choosing education over prison funding, or is the choice ridiculous? Are we skimping on funding public safety?

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  • Auntie Coosa's picture
    Auntie Coosa
    1

    The main problem is that sentences across the USofA are not standardized. A person in VA who uses a gun in a crime is an automatic five year sentence. Don't know where else that is applicable.

    The second, and probably most important, reason for so many violent offenders in our prison system is that we dropped the death penalty in so many states. Unfortunately, there are some criminals who "just need killin'" as we say in the South. It is impossible to rehabilitate some violent offenders such as serial killers or rapists. If a person cannot be rehabilitated, he or she is taking up time, space and money just sitting in a jail waiting to die of old age. I've said previously, if a person denies another person his/her right to live to old age, then the person who took that right does not deserve to live to old age.

    A few public lynchings might deter more people from a life of crime than a long jail sentence with a roof over their heads, three square meals, television, library and a structured life of 'ease.'

    Non violent criminals are too often given sentences which are not consistent with the crime. Sentences could include less jail time and longer restitution payments. With a tracking device as part of their permanent jewelry.

    A THIRD reason costs are so high is all the amenities, including meals, in prisons to "calm" the prisoners. If ONLY violent criminals were jailed, and all amenities were withdrawn, and meals were standardized, met the nutritional requirements with no frills, and prisoners had to be in their 5x8 foot cells 23 hours a day (1 hour for a shower and 15 minutes for each meal), prison life would become so unbearable that criminals might give up their life of crime. Or they might decide to save the government the cost of prison time and end their own lives by their own hand.

    I have no sympathy for a person who chooses a life of crime when we in the USofA have so many opportunities within the law.

    28 weeks 3 days ago Report Comment
  • j2e1n9's picture
    j2e1n9
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    That quote...I'm floored. That is my initial reaction.

    Also, that is a gorgeous prison building, or is it just me? It looks like a mini castle...

    I'm a supporter of fairer sentencing, too, so I have to say that these statistics of more than one a month are escaping and that we have 25% of the world's prison population doesnt shock or scare me; I think its just an indication that we're wasting $ here. I'd rather see it go towards education.

    I dont feel unsafe letting nonviolent, nonsexual offenders out early; these are usually things like check fraud, etc.

    Just my opinion, what do I know!? Sticking out tongue

    28 weeks 3 days ago Report Comment
  • stiletta's picture
    stiletta
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    This is a conservative's nightmare! Higher taxes or more lenient sentencing.

    28 weeks 3 days ago Report Comment
  • UnDave35's picture
    UnDave35
    4

    I think the prisons need to be able to reduce the sentences of criminals who committed crimes that weren't violent. That way we can reduce the population as necessary.

    28 weeks 3 days ago Report Comment
  • megnmac's picture
    megnmac
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    This is a complicated decision for states facing a budget crisis - and never a good political one... but if we only get 'harder on crime' with more going to prison and for longer terms, we end up with 1 in 100 Americans in prison. There is a time where states need to evaluate, and the answers aren't only prison or nothing... we need to explore that middle area of supervision for nonviolent offenders and reserve prison for those we are afraid of and those who refuse to cooperate with less restrictive options.

    sidenote - why is prison spending always compared to ed spending? it just seems odd to me, I understand there is only so much money, but the state pays for a lot of different things, so why is it always education that we're 'sacrificing' or saving with our criminal justice decisions?

    28 weeks 3 days ago Report Comment
  • jennifer76's picture
    jennifer76
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    Those statistics regarding escapees - are those American? Labour is UK, no?

    We need to overhaul the entire system. We jail people for things that are entirely unreasonable. If we chose to only jail violent offenders and sexual predators, I would be a lot more comfortable with the kind of imprisonment that Auntie Coosa envisions.

    I'm not a fan of standardized sentencing. Judges and juries serve a purpose and they should be allowed to exercise some judgment.

    28 weeks 3 days ago Report Comment
  • subtleheights's picture
    subtleheights
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    i say send them to iraq. make it mandatory to become a soldier after your first violent offense. for those less violent i say automatic soldier after second offense.off to afghanistan they go. that solves our problem . then we can return decent citizens out there home to their families. they have a lot more to offer anyway. let those become cops.send e to congress. perfect solution

    28 weeks 3 days ago Report Comment
  • subtleheights's picture
    subtleheights
    9

    I think their need to be more standardized punishment for nonviolent offenders. what about those in prison wrongly and there are persons who are aware? should they not go free?

    28 weeks 3 days ago Report Comment
  • subtleheights's picture
    subtleheights
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    WHO IS SPEAKING OF MAKING SURE THEY ARE GOOD SOLDIERS? they are simply paying for their lack of better judgement. it is a whole lot better than them sitting on death row their entire lifeand our tax dollars paying for their comfort which is a whole lot better than what our soldiers get when they go home to their barracks.

    28 weeks 3 days ago Report Comment
  • Jillness's picture
    Jillness
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    I think that there has been a lot of over sentencing when it comes to drug laws and non-violent offenders, and I think that 3 Strikes has hurt the US soooooo much. We need to focus on keeping violent and harmful people off the streets, and deal with the others in a more realistic way. Fine them, make them work for the DOT, there are a million alternatives. I don't think that housing them is the best punishment/prevention for every crime.

    28 weeks 3 days ago Report Comment
  • cine_lover's picture
    cine_lover
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    I think we need to become more creative with our punishments. And I believe prisoners should get NO luxuries. The only entertainment they should receive are educational books. I know people who have been in Prison who say, "it isn't that bad".

    I had the same thought Meg. There are PLEANTY of other areas to cut before education in a State, so not sure why they focus just on Education.

    I am not surprised that we have so many people in Prison. Our citizens are not afraid of our punishments, because so many people don't want to be "cruel" to the prisoners. Maybe if we were not so soft, things would change.

    Citizen, I don't think you were clear enough that the 14,000 escaped prisoners were in the UK, not USA, unless I am completely confused.

    28 weeks 3 days ago Report Comment
  • cine_lover's picture
    cine_lover
    14

    Jill, I agree with you about non-violent offenders. I can tell you the streets of New York need some cleaning, cop cars need to be washed, there are so many jobs that criminals should be forced to do, which would benefit us all.

    28 weeks 3 days ago Report Comment
  • cine_lover's picture
    cine_lover
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    I also think that joining the military should be an option for non-violent offenders and drug offenses. They can either serve a sentence or join the military.

    28 weeks 3 days ago Report Comment
  • jennifer76's picture
    jennifer76
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    Joining the military and being forced to keep up to standards is one thing. Conscription of any and all is another.

    I agree with cine_lover. And Jillness, for once! Sticking out tongue It's so nice to find common ground now and then.

    28 weeks 3 days ago Report Comment
  • raciccarone's picture
    raciccarone
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    Once we started to privatize the prisons in California we saw a huge jump in the prison rate. It was a real lesson in how the private sector can manipulate the judicial system to increase profits.

    28 weeks 3 days ago Report Comment
  • KrisSugar's picture
    KrisSugar
    18

    I agree with you Jennifer76, what good is a military full of lousy soldiers? If they see it as a punishment, they are definitely not going to do a good job, and honestly can't be fully trusted. And our law-abiding, hardworking, dedicated soldiers should not be put in the same category as criminals, nor should their safety be compromised by fellow soldiers that they cannot trust. In addition to that, our soldiers don't need to be saddled with the responsibility to watch over those who are being punished.

    28 weeks 3 days ago Report Comment
  • UnDave35's picture
    UnDave35
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    I'm wondering Racci, what percent of the population increase is from out of state? I could see importing criminals to fill a prison to make it profitable. The prison system here is WI has seen a large increase over the last 20 years, and it is still state run.

    28 weeks 3 days ago Report Comment
  • cine_lover's picture
    cine_lover
    20

    Rac, pretty sure there are other factors then the prison became part of the private sector. You have got to be kidding if you think that Government is less corrupt then private sectors. You do realize they make a profit as well.

    Great point UnDave! Also, what was the population increase in California legal and illegal?

    I suppose we should just have everything owned by the government and have their noses in all business activity. That sounds like a great plan.

    28 weeks 3 days ago Report Comment
  • MindayH's picture
    MindayH
    21

    I just read The Lucifer Effect and more than ever would support letting nonviolent offenders leave prison early.

    There is a high correlation between low income areas, crime, and poor education - so giving the money to the education system does relate to the prison system.

    28 weeks 3 days ago Report Comment
  • raciccarone's picture
    raciccarone
    22

    Once the government started to privatize the prison systems, we coincidentally passed the three strikes program which boosted the inmate population by 12 percent which then prompted our state to ... wait for it ... build more prisons! Guess who that benefited?

    As for illegal immigrants or naturalized citizens, I don't really see what difference that makes to the percentage of per capita incarceration.

    Cine, no one was suggesting that business are all owned by the government. That's silly. But when private companies have a hand in legislating judicial policy, don't you think that's troubling?

    28 weeks 3 days ago Report Comment
  • stiletta's picture
    stiletta
    23

    I don't know if I buy that raccoon. I don't think implementing any policy can make people criminals. So what if there's a three strikes program? It doesn't mean people are more likely to commit three crimes, does it? I think a large influx of immigration does have an effect on crime, no matter what inferences you may draw from that, it's a fact. As far back as the 19th Century there has been a corollary between immigration and crime. That's not to say immigrants are more prone to crime, it means that usually the arrive with few financial resources and few marketable skills and a percentage do turn to crime. The larger the influx of immigrants, the greater percentage of crime.

    28 weeks 3 days ago Report Comment
  • raciccarone's picture
    raciccarone
    26

    Okay. You have a point about ... well, you're right. I think. But I am still not comfortable with private companies in bed with my government.

    28 weeks 3 days ago Report Comment
  • stiletta's picture
    stiletta
    27

    That is because as a scavenging nocturnal creature, you are not comfortable with humans in any form. So why don't you just let us talk and decide what's best.

    28 weeks 3 days ago Report Comment
  • hypnoticmix's picture
    hypnoticmix
    29

    If our society's primary focus on criminals was rehabilitation the thought of so many being released would be less of a weight on my mind.

    Many prisons are beginning to come around to the notion that treating these people like caged animals rather than human beings regardless of their criminal actions is more detrimental to society than bringing them out of the darkness and into the light.

    28 weeks 3 days ago Report Comment
  • cine_lover's picture
    cine_lover
    30

    Well I was at lunch, but thanks stiletta! YOu said everything perfectly!!!

    28 weeks 3 days ago Report Comment
  • cine_lover's picture
    cine_lover
    31

    hypno, have you heard about the Sheriff who makes the inmates wear pink while working, and has all these creative ways of treatment of inmates. None of the treatment was like caged animals, or cruel, just unusual. There were no luxuries, just work, school (if you wanted) eating and bed. From what I remember, the inmates hated his pink uniform and the interview I saw from an inmate said that he thought his treatment was genius, and a lot of inmates after their time at his prison vowed never to go back.

    There are creative ways to punish people.

    28 weeks 3 days ago Report Comment
  • hypnoticmix's picture
    hypnoticmix
    32

    Creative is fine with me cine as long as rehabilitation and not agitation is the focus. I would much rather have some one leave prison having remorse for their actions and a new confidence fueled by education that they can start a new and make amends.

    28 weeks 3 days ago Report Comment
  • cine_lover's picture
    cine_lover
    33

    Well we agree that education should be a priority. I however do not think they should have any Television or music other then classical.

    28 weeks 3 days ago Report Comment
  • UnDave35's picture
    UnDave35
    34

    Isn't classical music considered cruel and unhuman punishment?

    28 weeks 3 days ago Report Comment
  • hypnoticmix's picture
    hypnoticmix
    35

    Well observing the effect television has on the free law abiding citizens I would be inclined to agree, no TV. Music however is food for the soul and their souls are precisely what we're trying to save.

    28 weeks 3 days ago Report Comment
  • idawson's picture
    idawson
    36

    so many problems with no cut and dry solutions ... getting more depressed by the minute ...

    28 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment

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