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Modern Geishas in Japan — Pretty Tradition or Outdated Idea?

Wed, 04/23/2008 - 3:45pm by CitizenSugar
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In Japan, being a geisha is a steeped in tradition but a fading career choice for the modern woman. Years ago, girls needed personal connections to become a geisha. But one 23-year-old named Komomo (Little Peach) looked for the job the same way many modern women job hunt — by email.

She was lured to the field for love of country. She says, "I wanted to know more about my own country and that's why I chose this world. I wanted to make Japanese history and customs a part of my daily life, not just wearing a kimono occasionally but every day and living life as they did in the old days."

Despite her high-minded reasons for becoming a geisha, she admits she's judged harshly on her appearance, and though she loves her job, she worries about the future. There are no pensions for geisha and they are not permitted to marry.

The number of geisha in Japan peaked at 80,000 in 1928, but now only 1,000 are left. Two reasons are shrinking business expense accounts zapped after the economic woes of the 1990s, and politicians who now stay away fearing scandal.

A dinner with a geisha present can cost around 80,000 yen ($785) a person, depending on the venue and number of geisha. In a nod to the modernizing world, men are now geisha, too, serving the growing number of professional women in Japan willing to fork out from $1,000 to $50,000 a night for male companionship.

Is this a tradition worth saving? Do you like the idea of modern co-ed geisha?


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  • Jillness's picture
    Jillness
    1

    Visually, the geishas are so stunning! The make up and costumes are such beautiful art. I don't know as much about what the customs involve, so I can't make an informed decision about that just yet.

    23 weeks 4 days ago Report Comment
  • Jude C's picture
    Jude C
    2

    It is a very beautiful custom, aesthetically, and as long as being a geisha is a matter of choice, I see nothing wrong with it.

    23 weeks 4 days ago Report Comment
  • mini_pixie's picture
    mini_pixie
    3

    I'm still unclear what a geisha actually does- are they hired for regular companionship or "companionship (wink-wink nudge-nudge)"? Either way, they are beautiful, but to do that forever? and never be allowed to marry? I don't know.

    23 weeks 4 days ago Report Comment
  • Jude C's picture
    Jude C
    4

    mini_pixie, I could be wrong, but to my understanding it isn't prostitution, more like social companionship (dinners and such) which can become regular. I'd imagine the "wink-wink-nudge-nudge" (haaaa, love Eric Idle) would be...you know...on the side. I don't think that's the point of it.

    23 weeks 4 days ago Report Comment
  • yesteryear's picture
    yesteryear
    5

    they are beautiful! and if it is voluntary (and they can leave when they want) it should be preserved. geishas are not prostitutes... they are educated in music, japanese art, history and customs.

    23 weeks 4 days ago Report Comment
  • Auntie Coosa's picture
    Auntie Coosa
    6

    I think it's a cool idea to train geishas but I think they should be able to be a geisha for a set number of years and then leave the field and get married or go to work teaching Japanese history or something. And they should have some kind of retirement pension if they work a minimum of say ten years as a geisha.

    Geishas are a part of the scenery in Japan. I think they keep the Japanese grounded in their history and heritage.

    23 weeks 4 days ago Report Comment
  • hypnoticmix's picture
    hypnoticmix
    7

    Well although the geisha is steeped in deep cultural tradition and ritual the premise is no different than being an escort here in the U.S. My room mate escorts on the side to make extra money and she gets offered between 2,000 and 5,000 a month just to hang on some old dudes arm and keep him company.

    If it's this ladys dream to try to revive a cultural tradition I say go for it.

    23 weeks 4 days ago Report Comment
  • Hannah426's picture
    Hannah426
    8

    I think it's fabulous that a girl is willing to accept all the odd stares and laughter and stuff like that to revive an old tradition.

    23 weeks 4 days ago Report Comment
  • JennyJenJenMurph's picture
    JennyJenJenMurph
    9

    One of the best readings about geisha is a book by Liza Dalby entitled "Geisha." It's about her experience as the only American to become a geisha for her doctoral dissertation in Anthropology at Berekley.

    23 weeks 4 days ago Report Comment
  • jennifer76's picture
    jennifer76
    10

    I don't think it's "no different than being an escort in America". They go through intensive schooling in art, music, dance, history, etc... It seems a bit more culturally steeped than American escorts.

    Even if it is an "outdated idea", it doesn't mean people can voluntarily carry it out!

    23 weeks 4 days ago Report Comment
  • inertia's picture
    inertia
    12

    Men are not geisha, they're hosts. Hosts and hostesses may be similar to geisha in the sense that they're paid to be entertaining companions, but they wear modern clothing and do not have the years of training in tradition and the arts as geisha. Being a host/hostess is not a respectable job, although it can be very profitable. And the majority of hosts' clients aren't actually professional women, they're hostesses. Hostesses have the money to afford it and after a night of work, they appreciate being on the side with the power.

    I've lived in Japan for a number of years and have never patronized any of them. Paying for someone's attention is not interesting to me.

    23 weeks 4 days ago Report Comment
  • nyaradzom2001's picture
    nyaradzom2001
    14

    It's their custom and if they want to save it they should go ahead. Read kickboxing geishas, that is an amazign book.

    23 weeks 4 days ago Report Comment
  • Nicola_2108's picture
    Nicola_2108
    15

    Pretty tradition!

    I hate how cultures drop ancient traditions due to pressures of modern society Sad

    23 weeks 4 days ago Report Comment
  • yeokr's picture
    yeokr
    16

    i totally agree with the first comment regarding the kimono and makeup. it is so visually stunning.

    23 weeks 4 days ago Report Comment
  • ElenaEv's picture
    ElenaEv
    17

    No pension, not allowed to get married?
    Hell no!

    Traditions like that,
    no matter how pretty they look,
    if not followed by a social safety net (pension, insurance etc)
    they don't deserve being preserved!

    23 weeks 4 days ago Report Comment
  • Frenched's picture
    Frenched
    18

    Geisha is a traditional Japanese standard of beauty and it's a very intriguing tradition but I think it is deteriorating because times are changing. It'd be nice to keep a tradition like this alive, even if it means modernizing it a little bit. Like another user said, they should be allowed to later on get married. Tweak things a little bit for the sake of keeping the tradition alive.

    23 weeks 4 days ago Report Comment
  • krampalicious's picture
    krampalicious
    19

    the literal translation of the word "geisha" is "entertainer." it is the orientalist western view that has skewed the tradition of art, music, dance, poetry and social graces into what many believe is common prostitution. and that is simply not the case.

    23 weeks 4 days ago Report Comment
  • Haethre's picture
    Haethre
    21

    I lived in Japan for two years, and you really need to check your facts. In Japan, there are "hostesses" (male and female) who accompany mostly businessmen and women at fancy hotels and restaurants. They wear traditional dress and depending on the place, sometimes what goes on can be reallly shady (at lower-end places, it can lead to fondling and legal prostitution).

    Geishas mostly reside in Kyoto now and there entire lifestyle is centered around learning the arts, dancing, flower arrangement, and entertaining people (not just looking pretty)! It's a great tradition and honor to be an actual geisha! But "male geishas" are called "male hosts" and are not to be confused with this tradition!

    Women can be geishas and "host", but hostesses are never geishas.

    23 weeks 3 days ago Report Comment
  • yadiet's picture
    yadiet
    24

    I do not believe Geishas have anything to do with Escorts. Escorts do not attend school to learn about music, dance, art or how to play a certain instrument. They wear provocative clothing. Geisha are more of entertainers. There beuatiful and do not show any form of skin besides the back of their neck or wrist when pouring something.

    Geisha are not out dated but a cultural tradition.

    Escorts are out dated. and gross!!!
    Which make them a poor example of a women.

    23 weeks 3 days ago Report Comment
  • DCStar's picture
    DCStar
    25

    I know that Geisha are always fighting the stereotype of "prostitute," but with rules stating they are not allowed to marry, what other conclusions might one draw but that they are to entice men? I think the tradition is beautiful, and these are talented women (and men!) who sing, play instruments and dance, but the no marriage rule is so bizarre.

    23 weeks 3 days ago Report Comment
  • LizWinchester's picture
    LizWinchester
    26

    Not to be rude but the question itself is a little silly for the average American to answer. There is absolutely no American equivalent for this position and we have no way of truly understanding the geisha in current or historical context.. clearly seeing as facts in the article are wrong.

    Whichever.. we do enjoy labeling things.

    23 weeks 3 days ago Report Comment
  • bellasugar's picture
    bellasugar
    27

    When I went to Kyoto, one of the great highlights was seeing geisha and maiko. It was wonderful to watch how gracefully they moved, and amazing to see this tradition in real life. (And no, they are not prostitutes.)

    I think it would help if the women were either given a pension or allowed to marry — or maybe both. The former would keep them financially stable, while the latter would make things more attractive to young women.

    23 weeks 3 days ago Report Comment
  • poissondujour's picture
    poissondujour
    28

    Geisha literally translates to artist. They are highly skilled professionals. Prostitutes have imitated the geisha, but real geisha *never* get paid for sex.

    I also spent time in Kyoto and had the pleasure of watching a performance by some maiko. They are very talented girls.

    Geisha were also the first independent businesswomen in Japan, btw. They began as symbols of modernity and new fashion. It is only recently that they have become the protectors of tradition in Japan.

    Geisha may not be allowed to marry, but they are free to leave the profession now.

    I have a ton of respect for these women. I'm glad to see so many people agree with me here. Smiling

    23 weeks 3 days ago Report Comment
  • My1mia's picture
    My1mia
    30

    I was in Gion and Kyoto in March and saw some of the Geishas. It's such a beautiful art/tradition and I hope that it will be maintained.

    23 weeks 3 days ago Report Comment
  • mirawilliams's picture
    mirawilliams
    32

    Citizensugar, you need to check your facts, (Or Times of India needs to check theirs). There is no such thing as 'male geisha.' What you're talking about is hosts, and trust me, there is a complete difference between the two.

    While I was in Japan, I got the opportunity to go to Kyoto and saw maiko (in-training). They were lovely.

    23 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • SlrAlphCentauri's picture
    SlrAlphCentauri
    33

    Seeing as most people who lambasted the author didn't read the article, the term they used to describe these male geisha is "otoko geisha," and I'm more than a little bothered that people have become experts on saying that there is no such thing as a male geisha. Do you think Times of India made up the term? I don't think so.

    It is possible for male geisha to exist and for it to be such a small number of men doing this that people in Japan may not have heard of them. And according to the article, geishas started out as men but, over time, men were outnumbered by women in the profession and are now the only gender people think of when they hear the term.

    Considering that this is a country that had kabuki theater in which all roles (male and female) were played by men, why is this so difficult for people to accept? They aren't saying the men are doing the exact same things as the women who are following the geisha tradition, but so many people got so uptight about this that I had to say something.

    23 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • pargie's picture
    pargie
    34

    I was under the impression that Gieshas were prostitutes, as someone mentioned above. I always knew there was a lot more to it than that, but I didn't realize it wasn't the primary job. Hmmm I'd like to re-think my answer.

    23 weeks 1 day ago Report Comment
  • poissondujour's picture
    poissondujour
    35

    Pargie- if you read the comments above, I think we've all been clear that prostitution is not a geisha's job *at all*.

    23 weeks 1 day ago Report Comment
  • pargie's picture
    pargie
    36

    I was referring to DCstar's comment "I know that Geisha are always fighting the stereotype of "prostitute,"....

    I didn't know it was a stereotype, I always thought that a Geisha was Japan's version of a prostitute.

    23 weeks 14 hours ago Report Comment
  • Jude C's picture
    Jude C
    37

    "I didn't know it was a stereotype, I always thought that a Geisha was Japan's version of a prostitute."

    Nope, prostitutes are Japan's versions of prostitutes Eye-wink

    22 weeks 6 days ago Report Comment
  • Geisha Runner's picture
    Geisha Runner
    38

    Pretty tradition. Geisha are artists. They are judged as a moving piece of art work. It's fabulous that women still want to follow in those historical steps! If I could do it ... I so would!

    21 weeks 3 days ago Report Comment
  • nevaeh1978's picture
    nevaeh1978
    39

    It's a shame to see the tradition die out, then again, since the time has evolved (look at the pic of a geisha going online Laughing out loud ), maybe they should tweak the rules a little bit (how about having a retirement? Benefits? etc) especially if this is a part of a culture that the Japanese doesn't want to lose.

    I've always thought geisha is professional hostesses who are skilled in the art of flower arranging, dancing (traditional, I'm not talking about pole dancing or/and provocative dances), musical instruments, and supposedly very intelligent (according to the Japanese male standard) that they can hold an entertaining and stimulating conversation with the men who seek them out and etc.

    As for sex, I never knew of them being paid for sex, although I have read about geishas ending up taking a lover (who's usually part of the men who solicit them) or two or whatever. What I know was it was her decision with whom she wanted to have an 'extra special' relationships with. But let's be honest, these men who become lovers with them, most likely help out financially as well...

    Prostitutes in Japan is completely different than a geisha, imho.

    PS I've been to Japan, but I've never encountered a geisha (I went there w/ family to visit family so it's not exactly sight-seeing or learning more about them), and I understand that it's an antiquated system now that women are starting to gain equality in such patriarchal society.

    21 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • juliarose23's picture
    juliarose23
    40

    I think as a part of the Japanese culture it should be saved, but I can see how women could struggle trying to make it their profession.

    21 weeks 1 day ago Report Comment
  • StephyBanana's picture
    StephyBanana
    41

    Geisha's are physical artists. I think this is a great tradition, but I agree they should reap some kind of benefits. Especially if they're smart enough to learn all of that history.