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Can the Candidates Possibly Understand Small Town Voters?

Mon, 04/14/2008 - 7:57am by CitizenSugar
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I heard rumblings of the big Obama "bitter" comment all weekend and was about to dismiss it as a woefully insensitive characterization but relatively harmless tongue-trip — until I read the rest of the statement. At a closed door fundraiser in San Francisco last week, Obama said this of Pennsylvania voters reeling from job losses and broken political promises:

“[they] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”


To me it's not so much that he characterized the working class as gun-toting, bible-thumping, bigots — it's that he attributed those proclivities as a misguided response to very real challenges that rural voters are facing. The statement levels charges in my mind that Pennsylvania voters (in this instance) aren't politically sophisticated enough to understand the cause-and-effect of their circumstance. Are we to believe then that if a worker in Pennsylvania gets laid off his reaction is to hate people who "aren't like him?"

I'm not alone in my objection to Obama's notion. To see how, read more. A poll out this morning shows that 56 percent of Americans disagree with his statement, and 45 percent label it as "elitist." It's a curious turn as candidates have historically tried to embrace the stereotypical trappings of the non-urban as a way to assure voters that they're as far from elite as possible. Remember John Kerry in that Carhartt coat so stiff and shiny it looked like he'd just tucked the tag up his sleeve? I wasn't close to voting for him then, but that ridiculous attempt at commonality cemented his image as unsure of himself and pandering. So perhaps Obama's comment isn't so objectionable — maybe he is just being true to himself?

With Hillary out this weekend shooting whiskey and telling tales of hunting, is that behavior from candidates really what a rural voter wants? In order for a small town voter to make an informed decision, is it a prerequisite to see candidates fumble with a foreign hobby, as if voters were just sitting and whittlin' around the fire thinking, "Goldurnit, if that Hillary would just come out fer a shoot I'd think about goin' ahead and votin' fer her." As if a small town voter certainly wouldn't be able to parse the specifics of an economic policy — it might just get in the way of their hootenanny.

I grew up in a small town, where real people wear Carhartt because their jobs require it, and to them this election isn't about misplacing blame for their political or economic situation, as Obama would have you believe, or wanting a candidate to shoot whiskey with like Hillary. It's about real solutions and candidates speaking to them and understanding their situation — not mocking it or playing dress up and pretending like they do.

What do you think? Am I making a mountain out of a molehill?

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  • cabaker27's picture
    cabaker27
    1

    Thank you so much for posting this Citizen. I think you are right on the money with a lot of your points! And another uncomfortable Kerry picture to boot!! Smiling

    I honestly think Obama is getting run down and he is making these mistakes because his guard is going down and his true colors are coming out...

    ... but then Hillary prattles off about going hunting?? Are you kidding me?! I've never met someone who owns a gun who doesn't wince in pain at hearing her name. No one has done more to restrict the 2nd amendment than the Clintons.

    So honestly, I don't know which is more offensive.

    18 weeks 1 day ago Report Comment
  • cine_lover's picture
    cine_lover
    2

    Good going Obama! I agree Cabaker, just his true colors coming out to shine.

    I like him less and less everyday, and this is coming from someone who never had anything against the man.

    18 weeks 1 day ago Report Comment
  • raciccarone's picture
    raciccarone
    3

    The Democrats are more concerned about getting elected that they forgot the part about what they stand for. Oh well, a hundred years in Iraq might not be so bad.

    18 weeks 1 day ago Report Comment
  • cine_lover's picture
    cine_lover
    4

    Really? Are we still on the "hundred years in Iraq"? I thought we moved past that, but I suppose I was wrong.

    18 weeks 1 day ago Report Comment
  • cabaker27's picture
    cabaker27
    5

    Oh better get used to it Cine! We'll be hearing that on a loop till Nov 4th! Smiling

    18 weeks 1 day ago Report Comment
  • harmonyfrance's picture
    harmonyfrance
    6

    The bartender asked her if she wanted a shot to go with her beer. She took a shot. Big whoop. At least she did a shot of whiskey and not a lemon drop or something stupid like that. I could never get behind someone who did a lemon drop. Eye-wink

    18 weeks 1 day ago Report Comment
  • mondaymoos's picture
    mondaymoos
    7

    *sigh* Gosh, but my options keep making me feel more depressed every day. It's getting to be like the last election where I'm forced to choose whoever I dislike least.

    18 weeks 1 day ago Report Comment
  • cine_lover's picture
    cine_lover
    8

    Well I suppose there is pretty good ammo against Obama, you know, getting guidance from a racist, being an elitist.

    Maybe that should be his new buzz word instead of "Change"?

    I have sent out the beacon! Pirate

    18 weeks 1 day ago Report Comment
  • cine_lover's picture
    cine_lover
    10

    Harymony, I have been out of touch this weekend, is it suppose to be a big deal that she took a shot? Who cares?

    18 weeks 1 day ago Report Comment
  • cabaker27's picture
    cabaker27
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    what do you got against lemon drops???

    how about BJ shots?? those are yummy!

    though I can see why Clinton would want to shy away from those...

    18 weeks 1 day ago Report Comment
  • cabaker27's picture
    cabaker27
    13

    Yea its been on the news a bit, I don't know why its a big deal. People drink?? SHOCKING!

    18 weeks 1 day ago Report Comment
  • KrisSugar's picture
    KrisSugar
    14

    I swear, I wish politicians would stop trying to be something they're not. Just be yourself. Everyone can see through it anyway.

    I'm pretty put-off by that statement as well. It's a pretty broad generalization to make about small-towners and country people.

    18 weeks 1 day ago Report Comment
  • cabaker27's picture
    cabaker27
    17

    I'm curious to see how this will affect him with Penn voters, I wish they would release that poll.

    18 weeks 1 day ago Report Comment
  • harmonyfrance's picture
    harmonyfrance
    21

    It was one of the top stories on CNN. First everyone was pissed off that it was canadian whiskey. Now everyone thinks she did it to appear more down to earth or something. She didn't ask for one. The bartender offered it to her. Whatever, this election season is really getting on my nerves. Especially that Hillary gets as much criticism for doing a shot and telling a few hunting stories as Obama is getting for that RIDICULOUS, and yes elitist statement that he made. I'm really tired of him getting away with anything and the public just following along. I'm tired of it. If you need me I'll be at the bar throwing down some whiskey with Hillary!

    18 weeks 1 day ago Report Comment
  • raciccarone's picture
    raciccarone
    22

    You're absolutely right about the 100 years comment. We should never actually hold a politician responsible for what they say.

    18 weeks 1 day ago Report Comment
  • syako's picture
    syako
    23

    I agree with Kris, obviously one person cannot be everyone. So to pretend like you know what's going on in the heads of rural voters or even the middle class (because to me a wife's $200,000 salary is far from middle class) is just absurd. But on the other hand, talking down to them and saying these things is just the polar opposite. Instead of pretending or snubbing, just be who you are, say where you're coming from (a big city and a nice income) and then listen to people and figure out what they are dealing with and what they want and need. Don't label them or name them and please please don't try to be them. scared

    18 weeks 1 day ago Report Comment
  • cine_lover's picture
    cine_lover
    24

    I did not even know there was a such thing as Canadian whiskey. That is just ridiculous. She is over the legal drinking age, AND I doubt she was driving. Even if she did ask for a shot, who the hell cares?

    Obama is the new hot thing, that can do no wrong. His fall from grace will be a hard one. But it will happen.

    18 weeks 1 day ago Report Comment
  • cabaker27's picture
    cabaker27
    27

    The real question is how much did she tip? I mean that can make or break this primary.

    18 weeks 1 day ago Report Comment
  • SkinnyMarie's picture
    SkinnyMarie
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    I am originally from the Hudson Valley in NY, and moved to Pittsburgh, PA in 2000 for school. I would have to agree with Obama. The people here are different then most other places. Honestly this is supposed to be a metropolitan city, and I know a TON of people who bought guns after 9/11. People who suddenly started going to church. This is a very grass roots state. Recently our largest farm had to shut down because of immigration and they couldn't afford it anymore. Of course people are going to be bitter. All Pennsylvania is turning into is one big urban sprawl, providing less jobs in manufacturing (STEEL) and more jobs at walmarts that are 5 miles apart.

    18 weeks 1 day ago Report Comment
  • harmonyfrance's picture
    harmonyfrance
    29

    cabaker!

    Cine you're asking for it! They just haven't found the thread yet. AND you can't blame it on me this time! Eye-wink

    Syako you are the master of emoticons as always...

    I'm on the SLOWEST computer in the world today. I think it was made in 1981. NO I'm serious.

    18 weeks 1 day ago Report Comment
  • cabaker27's picture
    cabaker27
    30

    Thanks for your perspective Skinny, I guess I just don't understand why owning a gun and going to church is a bad thing?

    18 weeks 1 day ago Report Comment
  • raciccarone's picture
    raciccarone
    32

    Q: President Bush has talked about our staying in Iraq for 50 years — ” (cut off by McCain)

    McCain: “Make it a hundred.”

    Q: “Is that …” (cut off)

    McCain: “We’ve been in South Korea … we’ve been in Japan for 60 years. We’ve been in South Korea 50 years or so. That would be fine with me. As long as Americans …”

    Q: [tries to say something]

    McCain: “As long as Americans are not being injured or harmed or wounded or killed. That’s fine with me, I hope that would be fine with you, if we maintain a presence in a very volatile part of the world where Al Qaeda is training and equipping and recruiting and motivating people every single day.

    18 weeks 1 day ago Report Comment
  • cabaker27's picture
    cabaker27
    34

    Ok Rac then I'll take it that you have a problem with our bases in Korea, Japan, and Germany also...

    18 weeks 1 day ago Report Comment
  • cine_lover's picture
    cine_lover
    35

    Oh I will find a way to blame you Harmony! Remember you are my scapegoat.

    18 weeks 1 day ago Report Comment
  • cine_lover's picture
    cine_lover
    37

    cabaker that makes two of us. Damn those church goers and their good deeds!

    18 weeks 1 day ago Report Comment
  • mymellowman's picture
    mymellowman
    39

    I was waiting for either Hillary or Obama to hang-out with Larry the Cable Guy and to use his catch-phrase "Git-R-Done!" to get some voters.

    18 weeks 1 day ago Report Comment
  • cabaker27's picture
    cabaker27
    41

    HAHAHA! You know, if she said that.... I might actually consider voting for her.

    18 weeks 1 day ago Report Comment
  • cine_lover's picture
    cine_lover
    43

    3M did someone make gold!?!?!?!?!? Woohoo

    Oh sorry syako, I forgot about those evil doers! They should just go and brush their one tooth!

    18 weeks 1 day ago Report Comment
  • cabaker27's picture
    cabaker27
    45

    Somewhere theres a staffer reading this thread and telling Hillary, "look you can probably get 2 votes if you say git r done"

    Gotta love that Clinton election machine!!

    18 weeks 1 day ago Report Comment