all i will say is

and this is his pastor

ok, that's it, I swear.

What a loony bird. I certainly wouldn't want a president with such close ties to an America-damning nutjob like this, so I hope Obama distances himself. Then again, I wouldn't be suprised if many Obama supporters also supported this type of hate speech, so who knows.

Does America really want to hear the truth?, Do we really want to hear anyone air our dirty laundry?, Do we want these statements to get out because other countries already think this about us?, or Do we want to punish?

I think OB will have to denounce these statements but they were the Pastor's statement to his congregation-obviously the congregation did not have a problem b/c he is still their pastor. Of course this is what the American people will run with and this may just be damaging.

i'm just watching my little rant guy, and he's so funny. try this - read those words that the pastor says out loud like he's talking. it's fun.

about the pastor's comments - I must say it's a terrible time to be running for president. Now a days anything ANYONE remotely or closely connected to you says or does will make front page news.

note to self - distance myself from all crazies before starting our 2012 Cine_Lover/Syako ticket.

haha Syako!

wherever he is Spitzer must be like thank you God, this at least takes some heat off him in the media.

Oh, they haven't even scratched the surface yet when it comes to Spitzer. He is totally and completed f*cked.

I'm in syako!

I want Jillness' opinion on this one, because we were discussing this topic in another thread. She said that because McCain gets support from a loony Evangelical Christian, then McCain must have similar feelings. Does this mean that Obama feels America should be damned? That we deserve what we get? Honestly, people like him upset me to such an extreme I find it hard to write on this topic.

he is f*cked but now everyone will have their two cents about obama all the nay sayers will come crawling out the cracks, turning this into another media spectacle. It is so random how the republicans are the ones looking squeaky clean in this whole nomination process and the democrats are the ones shooting themselves in the foot.

nyara, I was thinking the same thing yesterday. It is a strange reversal.

It sure is Cine and Nya!

cine time to delete the myspace profile, cut off connections with your crazy pastor (find a nice, moderate one with preferably no real thoughts of his/her own) and we'll need less of this if our ticket will be successful in 2012 and to avoid the soon to be media

i know hey cine i swear john mccain is looking like the lesser of 3 evils at the end of the day and with all the fuss about iraq, iran etc you would think that the republican party would be taking the heat. I am by no means a fan of the republican party but credit where credit is due. They have handled themselves impeccably, in fact they could teach the democrats a thing or two. The dems started as this was their election to lose, they wouldn't have to do "that much hard work" but now with each passing,meaningless squabble they are getting tiresome.

This is bad news.

The syako/cine ticket has my support!

from call girls one day to presidential candidates the next - God bless America!

haha Syako!

You forgot to add in high class call girls!

Hey syako we already have 3 votes! We are good to go! I have a bit of a past, but if I write a tell all book, then it is all okay, right?

Nyara, I could not agree more. Except I am a fan of the Republican party, or actually I should say true Conservatives and True Republicans.

Seems a lot of rejecting other people's comments and views has been done so far.

yeah we can just black mail our high paying clients (like Nancy) to get them to donate to our campaign.

I think this is much more serious than the McCain thing, McCain isn't an active member of that church, his kids weren't baptized by the guy, and he certainly didn't get married by him either!

Theres no amount of smooth talking that can get Obama out of this one. His best hope is to withdraw his membership from the church and be stronger in denouncing this looneytoon... but even then I'm sure there will be some kind of swift boat type attack ad that will come out reminding everyone of this.

Nancy

Cabaker, It certianly does not look very good for him. And in all honesty is shouldn't.

Withdrawing from the church is too little too late because these comments were made years ago and i am sure since they are pretty inflammatory he must have been aware of them and if he wasn't doesn't he have people who are paid to do know these things. I'm not sure it ill make that much of a difference for him with his supporters it will only give those who don't like him and his opponents ammunition.

I don't necessarily think this really hurts him all that much IF he distances himself from the church and the pastor publicly.

I do agree about the Dems shooting themselves in the foot on this election. It seems like they've done that the past few times around with candidate choice, etc. For awhile now, the Republicans have run a much better "election machine" on the national level. It will be interesting to see how that plays out through November.

Oh, and I was curious about what Jillness would say about this too, cine!

cine what are true conservatives? I'm a liberal, the only thing that i'm conservative about is priests getting married lol.

nyara, good point. His supporters are so die hard that this will not deter them from voting for him. Now fence sitters and Hilary supporters that is a whole nother story.

What timing!
THe funny thing about this is, I am a hypocrite if I don't get offended by this, while the other side is a hypocrite if they ARE offended by this.

What he is saying is really no different from Pat Robertson, except he blamed 9/11 on gay people. It is also no different from Hagee saying Katrina was also the fault of gay people.

Obama has already said that this man is like a kooky uncle who says things that he doesn't always agree with. I do think that these remarks are pretty inflammatory, and I don't agree with them, and Obama should make very clear that he doesn't support these ideas as well.

The difference here between Obama's situation and McCain, is that McCain praised Hagee's stance on Israel even though the man has very condemning ideas about people of Jewish faith. Obama has not said that he likes this man's ideas on 9/11.

Once you're on the Obama train you don't get off lol. I like Hillary Clinton, flawed she may be and foolish she may have been for standing by her man but I really truly like her. I also like McCain, weird, but I honestly can't find a negative thing to say about him except, but I have been on the fence about Obama. It's not the issue of religion, experience, charisma but there is something about him I can't quite put my finger on it but something is off.

nyara, I say true Conservatives, because I do not put Religious Right in the same catagory of Conservatives. Now I have no problem with having religious values swaying your vote, it is your own right to choose on what issues are important to the individual. But many people, and I believe we can thank the media and the educational system call Conservatives and Religious Rights the same thing, and they most certainly are not. In fact, most conservatives are NOT religious right.

So I should not have said "true Conservatives" without more of an explanation, because Conservatives can be a pretty broad term.

I can go on forever on this topic. I have whole blogs dedicated to this.

It seems like random people have had more influence on the campaigns than the actual candidates themselves, recently.

Jill you are SO right about that!

The candidates are like supporting players in their own election, its madness!

Oh geeze, this entire thing is just turning into a circus. Each presidential candidate and nominee is probably closely linked to someone who from time to time may say pretty inflamatory things- he*l so are we (will this stop me from running for president one day? no..)! Although I don't agree with his first comment I do agree with his second. Of course, his comment was said a couple years after 9-11 when times were still shaky and people were living in fear and anger of our situation. I think everyone can let their emotions get the best of them (ever seen pastors in action?). I do think and hope Obama will denounce this comment...but we have to realize we can't agree with EVERYTHING everyone we're linked to says. This man may have said and done alot of other things that we may deem as "appropriate" and "powerful". Get over it already. These democrats are pis*ing me off. While the Republicans are just laughing at the comedy act (and I don't blame them).

I think whats delicious about this from a right perspective, is that this is what we get slammed on all the time! So its kinda nice seeing it on the other side...

thanks for the explanation cine that is true though cine about the media lumping conservatives and the religious right together, i used to think bible-bashing, gay-bashing anti-abortion loonies when i thought conservative, sad but true, but now i know different. And good point Jill. When was the last tie we hear anything actually said by Hillary or Barack.

LOl cabaker, i love the use of delicious, savour every moment.

nya - hey we gotta take what we can get!

I don't lame you at all when they are ones cooking it up and dishing it up themselves. Wouldn't it be nice to have a week without an outrageous comment and all the media outlets scrambling to show either a) righteous anger or b) exploitation and endless coverage of a few sentences. Can we have a democrat free week next week and it pains me to say this lol.

Thats what I thought after Hilary got some momementum at the last set of primaries... OH man we gotta listen to them bicker till the end of April?! I mean, as a conservative I was stoked, but as a TV viewer I was not happy!

The sad thing to me is, I think Obama is really a patriot in the true sense of the word.

He went into communities after he graduated college and started working for the people. He couldn't get enough done, so he went to law school and became an expert on the epitome of America: The Constitution. He was president of the Harvard Law Review, an organization that has had 6 Supreme Court Justices as its members. He taught Constitutional law as well. He was very sought after when he left Harvard, and he instead went back to the community that he was helping before.

His whole career has been focused on our laws, and how to make America achieve her potential. I think it is so sad that so many people have a different idea about him based on ramblings of other people. That is the nature of politics, I understand, but I think it is tragic none the less.

I heard (not sure if it's true) that the media has acquired footage of all of this guys sermons. They are trying to find a shot of Barrack in the audience "enjoying" one of these rants. Now I'm about as big a Hillary supporter as anyone could be, but I don't agree with this at all. No one should be targeted in that way.

What really pisses me off is the fact that these campaigns aren't nearly as negative as the media is making them out to be. It's MOSTLY supporters running off at the mouth and the media digging up crap that nobody should care about. I don't associate the above clip with Barrack at all, but I know SOME people will and it makes me sad. Let's get back to the issues!

I do agree, harmonyfrance that a lot of this is media and supporter driven. I think some of that may be because the two candidates have similar views on so many important issues, so it is coming down to personality and sensationalism instead of being issues-driven.